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dittbub
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Joined: Jan 15 2005
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Location: Ontario
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 Posted: May 09, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| as if to say the iraq occupation isn't contributing to the national debt.. |
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Monorprise
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Joined: Feb 16 2004
Posts: 3850
Location: New Mexico
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| Posted: May 09, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| dittbub wrote: | | as if to say the iraq occupation isn't contributing to the national debt.. |
How could something that doesn’t exist contributed to the national dept? 
Or are you metaphorically talking about Top-secret programs? |
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Americalex
UNA Supporter
Joined: Aug 27 2004
Posts: 4144
Location: Quebec
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| Posted: May 09, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| Clubtender wrote: | | If it had been Canada that had been attacked on 9/11/01, do you think that there would have been an "official" declaration of war? |
YOU WIN, KENOBI *General Grievous Voice*
Canada has allready proven that's it's no better than the US in this regard. It doesnt change the fact that it's wrong and gay to shy from doing things the correct way. |
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Americalex
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Joined: Aug 27 2004
Posts: 4144
Location: Quebec
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| Posted: May 09, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| dittbub wrote: | what are you saying? ww2 was not the governments war, it was all of our war. hitler had to be stopped from overrunning europe... how is it that signing up for the military to fight overseas is consider noble, but handing out small bits of cash to armour and arm the soldiers is considered enslaving?
soldiers are asked to sacrifice their life while all the while "support the troops" is a worthless catch phrase. no non serving american is making any sort of sacrifice, or worthful support, in this "wartime". |
..Was not the governments war..
I cannot understand what this is supposed to mean, except that the opposite is true. It was the first total war as such whole nations gave government control over every aspect of life in order to garantee victory.
..All of our war?..
All out war? Total war? I'm really trying to understand but my mastery of english is insuffient to contextually interpret the meaning of your formulation
..Small bits of cash?..
That's the problem with ignorance. It invites ridiculous statements and misleads you to believe them too. There wasnt any taxes before these wars, you know. These "small bits of cash" had to be paid back, so much so that these supposedly temporary taxation measures became permanent.
..soldiers are asked to sacrifice their life..
And bakers are asked to bake stuff. Conscripted soldiers are not asked. They are forced. Conscription is noble? You romantisize a great many things.
| Quote: | | no non serving american is making any sort of sacrifice, or worthful support, in this "wartime". |
Unable to decipher 90% of that sentence.
Our differing understanding of historical facts hampers our ability to communicate effectively due to intense packet collisions leading to massive data loss. Keep on cheering for what you believe in, but from my perspective your positions are simplistic and disrespectful of the facts as I came to understand them. |
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Clubtender
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Joined: Apr 28 2005
Posts: 2943
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: May 09, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| Americalex wrote: | | Clubtender wrote: | | If it had been Canada that had been attacked on 9/11/01, do you think that there would have been an "official" declaration of war? |
YOU WIN, KENOBI *General Grievous Voice*
Canada has allready proven that's it's no better than the US in this regard. It doesnt change the fact that it's wrong and gay to shy from doing things the correct way. |
It's actually far worse than that. To declare war, you have to define who you are declaring war against. If the US was to declare war on Radical Islam (Islamo-Fascism), we would have to define it. If the US defined Radical Islam, not only would the UN condemn us, but our so called allies would as well because of the definition's "political incorrectness". It would point out just how large the enemy really is and it would also open active fronts in this war on just about every continent on the planet except Antarctica. That's just slightly more than the US could deal with on it's own without the use of nuclear weapons. Thus, no official declaration of war. |
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Americalex
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Joined: Aug 27 2004
Posts: 4144
Location: Quebec
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| Posted: May 09, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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It's an explanation that makes more sense, thanks.
But the truth is your army is capable of dealing with the whole hostile world if it must, and the UN is nothing but a paper tiger that cannot exist or oppose the USA if the US pulls out from it.
Let the rest of the world screw itself over, but the current greyness will only drain the USA until it implodes economically because of unsustainable spending.
It's playing right into the hands of those that want to see it's downfall. |
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Clubtender
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Joined: Apr 28 2005
Posts: 2943
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: May 09, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Americalex wrote: | It's an explanation that makes more sense, thanks.
But the truth is your army is capable of dealing with the whole hostile world if it must, and the UN is nothing but a paper tiger that cannot exist or oppose the USA if the US pulls out from it.
Let the rest of the world screw itself over, but the current greyness will only drain the USA until it implodes economically because of unsustainable spending.
It's playing right into the hands of those that want to see it's downfall. |
Though the UN is nothing more than an extremely corrupt paper tiger, it would be a rallying point for opposition. The US Army, Navy and Air Force are half the size that they were in the late 1980's. (Gee, Thanks Slick Willie.) I'm not sure about the USMC. Even back then, with those force levels, the US Armed Forces were designed to work with allies. They were and are not designed to stand alone in a shooting war on almost every continent on Earth. |
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BeaverFever
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Joined: Dec 22 2005
Posts: 1252
Location: Ontario
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| Posted: May 09, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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The "War on Terror" is no different that the war of poverty, the war on drugs on the war on street gangs. In fact, terrorism has a lot more to do with those things than it does with an enemy that can destroy you.
The whole "we were attacked on on 9/11 and therefore..." argument is stale and lame. It was 6.5 years ago already! It's just an excuse to get simple-minded people to agree with unlimited presidential power and global domination of energy supplies. Given that there will always be terrorists for one cause or another, it's just a pretext for the massive power grab by Darth Cheney and his evil army.
Watch how quickly the Repubs fade from the "don't question your gov't" line whene the Dems control the White House and the Congress! All of a sudden they will shift to the "now more than ever we must challenge our leaders" schtick.
Terrorism's M.O. is not death or destruction, they can not do these things very effectively or efficently on a large scale. Their M.O. is provoking reactionists into destroying themselves. Hopefully you will figure that out someday, but at a look at things now should give you a clue. |
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